there's an ideology that is driving us that hasn't been addressed by the obama administration. frankly it wasn't addressed that well by the administration in which i served, but looking at egypt, looking at tunisia and the islamists and the brotherhood are doing at the battle box, alongside what the terrorists are doing at the battle field and figuring out how to push back against that. >> it's interesting, i hear you talking in wider term about the arab spring and that this is really kind of been a building now. talk with me more about that. >> well, you know, early days in arab spring, in cairo, tahrir square, they weren't long bearded militants like in 1979. they were modernist, secular, still proud muslim, people didn't want to unify mosque ap states and replace civil law with sharia law, but it's been co-opted and part of that because the washington stoeshment was complicit. john mccain and lindsey graham, meeting and welcoming the muslim brotherhood and the white house doing that. and we haven't been serious about getting behind secular forces in the middle east, the same